tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1790030420507335953.post388746210387212491..comments2024-03-23T08:21:07.075-07:00Comments on Points of Light: FrankenFourth: Go Full-Vancian Or Go Home(brew)?David Guyllhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16299128722345607123noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1790030420507335953.post-72541473968430136032016-01-22T11:04:03.037-08:002016-01-22T11:04:03.037-08:00Currently all magic talents cause you to take dama...Currently all magic talents cause you to take damage, but during our Weds Shadowfell Keep game one of the players suggested a "cantrip" like ability, that only works as long as you have Mana on tap.<br /><br />For example, Firebolt (sorcerer talent) causes you to take 1d4 damage, then you make an attack against an enemy using Charisma. If you hit, they take 1d8+CHA damage, and if you miss they still take half.<br /><br />The proposed cantrip would be something like: make a Charisma attack, on a hit the target takes 1d6 (no CHA mod), and on a miss they take nothing.<br /><br />Wizards CAN be offensive if you focus on the Evoker trees, but currently the dragon sorcerer is all about burning things and gaining draconic features.David Guyllhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16299128722345607123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1790030420507335953.post-1078041763805971972016-01-22T07:57:01.543-08:002016-01-22T07:57:01.543-08:00My inclination is that they'd prefer several s...My inclination is that they'd prefer several spells they can just throw out continuously (within reason) to the fire-and-forget system in general. We played 4E for several years, as well as FATE, and they've been somewhat spoiled on the versatility and reliability of spells. I know there are some I play with who'd be fine or enjoy the Vancian style, so would love to see both options.<br /><br />That said, the sorceror may offer plenty for the non-Vancian types, should they want an offensive caster.Svafahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12237691554328991393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1790030420507335953.post-36163113585394158882016-01-21T21:29:59.177-08:002016-01-21T21:29:59.177-08:00@Anon: Yeah, I really dig the talent structure, to...@Anon: Yeah, I really dig the talent structure, too, though the players are pretty stingy with their mana and Vitality. :-PDavid Guyllhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16299128722345607123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1790030420507335953.post-79388252116011064832016-01-21T10:16:42.636-08:002016-01-21T10:16:42.636-08:00I prefer Talents. I love it when magic is unpredic...I prefer Talents. I love it when magic is unpredictable; I love it when you can overreach your power and kill yourself (sacrifice your life in a great blaze of glorious power to save your friends!); I love having lots and lots of flexibility, but very limited resources. I, personally, have always found memorized, predictable magic too rigid and boring. My .02$.<br /><br />OberonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1790030420507335953.post-72787193695147021872016-01-19T13:11:42.476-08:002016-01-19T13:11:42.476-08:00@Svafa: Do you think they'd hate it, even if s...@Svafa: Do you think they'd hate it, even if spells could be recovered much more quickly after use?<br /><br />Like, instead of fire-and-forget-until-you-go-to-bed-for-6-hours-and-wake-up-the-next-day, you recover all of them after spending, say, an hour re-prepping them, or one every 10 minutes or so.David Guyllhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16299128722345607123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1790030420507335953.post-17003512276812420392016-01-19T08:45:27.437-08:002016-01-19T08:45:27.437-08:00I like both. From my own standpoint, I think the ...I like both. From my own standpoint, I think the true Vancian would be fun to play, but I know several of the people I play with would hate it. They'd much prefer something closer to the high-fantasy, spell-slinging wizards they're used to. That and Vancian feels a bit more science-fantasy than the standard. So, I could definitely see myself using either/or depending on group/setting, and sometimes maybe using both.Svafahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12237691554328991393noreply@blogger.com