tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1790030420507335953.post4542117096416322039..comments2024-03-23T08:21:07.075-07:00Comments on Points of Light: Meet the TemplarDavid Guyllhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16299128722345607123noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1790030420507335953.post-59009922513583022042011-05-21T16:30:44.546-07:002011-05-21T16:30:44.546-07:00i agree with you paul. Today as i contemplated the...i agree with you paul. Today as i contemplated the end if the world i thought of how would i play an updated version of 4e without the need of a insider account or a computer for that matter. If only they would reprint all the books with the current errata.... if only.Victor Hurtadohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12254075841373767921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1790030420507335953.post-75085570652726133852011-05-20T06:41:07.381-07:002011-05-20T06:41:07.381-07:00I'm not sure that the issue is that they nerfe...I'm not sure that the issue is that they nerfed the cleric, but that they keep CHANGING THE RULES! Seriously! 3rd edition had errata, and one major "patch" when 3.5 came out, but aside from that, the rules stayed fairly consistent throughout the product's lifespan. 4e has seen so many changes I've lost count. It seems like the rules are constantly in a state of flux. And while I like Essentials, and don't buy into all the drama surrounding those products, it's obvious that the way WotC has incorporated Essentials into the product lineup was a big failure. <br /><br />To be honest, I don't really mind that the cleric took a bit of a nerf. What I do mind is constantly having to reconfigure my character to fit into the ever-changing rules paradigm. My group sometimes plays once a month - in that time, you're pretty much guaranteed that at least one person's character has had substantial changes. To make matters worse, most of the people in my group are still using Character-Builder Classic. But, not everyone in the group is using the CBC - one player is a DDi subscriber, and two of us have downloaded the unofficial update patches for CBC to add in Dark Sun and Essentials material. So, not everyone in the group is playing with the same ruleset for character creation, which results in a lot of confusion around the table. Feats, especially, are a problem, since the Essentials feats tend to be upgrades of older feats.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02001763786534985344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1790030420507335953.post-17459666837466068302011-05-18T06:33:02.319-07:002011-05-18T06:33:02.319-07:00Leader is also my favorite role, though I tend tow...Leader is also my favorite role, though I tend towards shamans and warlords (though I have played them all). I think that the concept behind leaders--being able to heal your allies, dole out bonuses, and still do fun stuff--is what makes them fun, and agree that clerics no longer have to be the best to appeal to anyone. I understand that it sucks to see something you liked reduced in efficacy, but I am glad that you (along with many more, I'm sure) aren't nerd-raging over it. :-)David Guyllhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16299128722345607123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1790030420507335953.post-5649596100307993592011-05-18T02:33:15.057-07:002011-05-18T02:33:15.057-07:00I think this issue goes back to pre-4th Ed, actual...I think this issue goes back to pre-4th Ed, actually. In order to get people to actually PLAY Clerics, 3.X had to make them so good they often overshadowed other members of the party. When 4th came out, they continued the trend, but didn't realize that they didn't need to anymore, because the character balancing that 4E does compared to other editions does not require the Cleric to be better in order for anyone to want to play it. <br /><br />I've seen this nerf coming for a long time, and I had a feeling that Class Compendium was where they'd choose to do it. Leader roles is my FAVORITE to play, so this is pretty close to home for me-- but yes, Cleric was the best class in a lot of ways. The nerf didn't make it sub-standard; all it did was bring it in line with the rest of the classes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com