tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1790030420507335953.post4766337551893490542..comments2024-03-23T08:21:07.075-07:00Comments on Points of Light: Legends & Lore: Multiclassing in NextDavid Guyllhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16299128722345607123noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1790030420507335953.post-71183761172223112582012-09-18T13:18:17.626-07:002012-09-18T13:18:17.626-07:00@Philo: Sounds like a better idea than 3rd Edition...@Philo: Sounds like a better idea than 3rd Edition's multiclass-gap-fixing feats, like the ones that let you act as a spellcaster four levels higher and such (especially in a game with precious few feats).<br /><br />I am hoping that with the alternate tables that characters will not get largely useless things for their troubles. I remember wanting to play a mind flayer using Savage Species, with the thought of multiclassing into psion when I was done (because it made sense); I dreaded the thought of trying to do anything as a 12th-level character with 1st-level psionic powers.David Guyllhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16299128722345607123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1790030420507335953.post-89044157550158470092012-09-18T13:15:46.338-07:002012-09-18T13:15:46.338-07:00@Maarten: My first 3rd Edition character was a gno...@Maarten: My first 3rd Edition character was a gnome fighter that picked up Weapon Specialization before hopping over to illusionist (the favored class of gnomes at the time) because I wanted to see how well summoned monsters would play out.<br /><br />I never got to play much besides that character, but did plenty of multiclassing with monsters. As a character I tended to "prestige-out" because, as I said, many prestige classes were basically "x class, plus more". Personally I would like a multiclass system allow me to organically pick up spells that are still useful; it is no fun picking up a level in wizard, only to realize that most of those spells are worthless.<br /><br />In 4th Edition I tended to pick only the first multiclass feat, because I could not justify spending a feat just to swap things out. The first feat was generally useful because you got skill training plus something extra, making it more appealing than skill training.<br /><br />The benefits of multiclassing, to me, are that characters can change in the middle of the campaign. A character might discover religion and pick up levels in cleric (or paladin), or another character might manifest psionic powers. Some concepts call for this structure, such as the fighter/wizard archetype, or a rogue might dabble in illusions to help be a better thief.<br /><br />Without multiclassing, those options basically require specific classes. David Guyllhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16299128722345607123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1790030420507335953.post-1185442749795945992012-09-18T10:12:51.195-07:002012-09-18T10:12:51.195-07:00I like multiclassing. It's great for some of ...I like multiclassing. It's great for some of those oddball character ideas like the really militant priest or the sneaky wizard. <br /><br />One GM had an interesting take. You needed a multiclassing feat at least one level before you multiclassed. The feat would get you a small benefit, like catsing a couple of cantrips or doing a d3 of sneak attack. This shows that you are spending time on learning the new class and made sure that you paid a cost for dipping into one level. It's not worth it to do for a simple bonus feat.<br /><br />He also had a way to reduce the penalty of multiclassing. For the classes' main ability (spellcasting, sneak attack, favored enemy), you could add half of your other class levels, up to the number of level in the class under consideration. An example - a 2nd level rogue/2nd level wizard casts like a 3rd level wizard and sneak attacks like a 3rd level rogue. But a 10th level rogue/1st level wizard casts like a 2nd level wizard because they can only apply fake levels equal to their actual level.<br /><br />Philo Pharynxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14785954267292226321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1790030420507335953.post-35520777792885275652012-09-18T03:40:17.189-07:002012-09-18T03:40:17.189-07:00I still prefer 4E's method, in the way that it...I still prefer 4E's method, in the way that it makes the most sense like you point out. 3E was notorious for letting players devolve into munchkins of the worst kind, seeing if they could "trick" the game with another beautifully built rules exploiting character.<br /><br />I wonder, how many of you peeps are actually into multiclassing? I've seen DM's both encouraging as well as actively discouraging it on many occasions.<br />I personally never did much of multiclassing as a player, safe for one or two occasions. Beside the obvious benefits, what do you all think is the value of having multiclassing in the game?<br /><br />Thoughts, Dave? Or anyone?Maarten Roexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16186439360258667271noreply@blogger.com